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FOX News
Nov 29, 2012 3:00pm PST
tonight in the fiscal cliff negotiations. republicans are pushing back hard. against president obama and the democrats over what will be in whatever deal they craft to avoid the implementation of the automatic spending cuths and tax increases. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live with details. good evening, ed. >> tonight we have new details of exactly what treasury secretary geithner laid out to republicans in the big meeting earlier today is. the republican aides tell mike emanuel there was a lot of detail about the new tax increases. $1.6 trillion in new tax increases from the new rate, capital gain, dividends as well. new spending, starting with $50 billion next year. the white house is countering that is leftover stuff from the president american jobs act. not really spending. nonetheless, the republican aides on the hill saying this is a nonstarter to them. white house aide i just spoke to said that this is not new. this is the president's original budget framework going to september of 2011. they say inside the white house tonight the real problem is the republican
FOX News
Nov 29, 2012 8:00am PST
signs of progress in talks to keep the nation from falling over that fiscal cliff. republicans agreeing in principle on the need to raise revenue, but democrats apparently offering very little in the way of specific spending cuts. house speaker john boehner not mincing words moments ago. >> first, despite the claims that the president support ors a balanced approach -- supports a balanced approach, democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line, the american economy is on the line, and this is a moment for adult leadership. jenna: well, on the other side of the aisle, senate majority leader harry reid says he's still waiting for, quote, a reasonable proposal from speaker boehner. so while we're all waiting, congresswoman lynn jenkins is a member of the ways and means committee, she's also the new vice chair of the house republican conference, a new leadership position for her. congresswoman, welcome
Current
Dec 3, 2012 6:00am PST
is on republicans to fix this deficit problem or you know, this fiscal cliff, it's not. both sides are willing to negotiate -- i mean white house is willing to negotiate. they made an offer and mitch mcconnell laughed at that time yesterday. john boehner went on the sunday shows and said basically we're not interested in any of this. so it's not -- the onus is not on the republicans. they're the ones who haven't done anything since election day to try to advance the ball. >> stephanie: yep absolutely. oliver north on hannity's show -- oh, is he judging susan rice? her basic -- yeah. >> susan rice, if she gets to become -- i'll make a prediction for you. she gets to become secretary of state. you will see the united nations get -- get a united states shot on the arms control treaties that the united nations launch and they will supercede the constitution of the united states. that's where they're headed. >> oh, my god! >> this from the guy who sent weapons to the iranians, funding right wing death squads. and lied about it all
Current
Dec 3, 2012 9:00am PST
fiscal cliff. >> obama: i don't think it is acceptable for you for a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. >> stephanie: uh, yeah! let's go to kathy in mobile, alabama. >> mobile. >> caller: actually, it is mobile. i know you're not from the south. something i've heard recently which is totally stupid was someone made the comment that normally we only work 25 years and then we live only 40 years after that. a. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: which is crazy. if you started at 18, you reach retirement at 43 or even if you start working at 35. >> stephanie: this is something grover norquist said yesterday. i'm like who only works 25 years? math is -- that's what the president said. republicans have to stop using political math to say how much they're willing to raise tax rates on the wealthiest 2% and specify the spending cuts. they're the ones that aren't being specific. i'm flabbergasted how f
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 9:00am PST
the country will think republicans are to blame if we go over the fiscal cliff, six out of ten voters in november said the tax rates should go up, how much longer can he afford to politically keep this pledge and he said look, you heard it there, the rates when we close the revenues, loopholes will go up on the rich people. that still is the mindset. what's interesting, is talking to republicans leaving the house conference gop conference this morning, there is a lot of support for speaker boehner. there aren't cracks like there were during the debt limit where he had a faction that was lining up against him wholeheartedly. even after yesterday we heard all the stuff of fallout from the conservative right against his position, that conference this morning was pretty supportive of speaker boehner and seem to be -- say something we say way too often here in washington, d.c., doubling down on the speaker's approach, at least here in early december. >> everyone seems to be doubling down, luke. i mean the idea that now nobodies's moving at all. i thought it was interesting that boehner is
CNN
Dec 5, 2012 4:00am PST
into that report. looking forward to that. >>> first it was republicans throwing the president's fiscal cliff plan right back at him. now it's the president's turn. he rejected an offer that included no raise in tax rates for the top 2% of americans, seemed to indicate a little wiggle room on his insistence the taxes go up for the wealthy from 35% to 39.6%. here's what he told bloomberg tv. >> do they have to go up to 39.6% now? >> let me sort of describe the process here for you, juliana. let's let those go up and then let's set up a process with a time certain at the end of 2013 or the fall of 2013 where we work on tax reform, look at what loopholes and deductions both democrats and republicans are willing to close and it's possible that we may be able to lower rates by broadening the base at that point. >> want to get to stephanie cutter former deputy campaign manager for obama 2012. stephanie, nice to have you with us this morning. appreciate your time as always. you're the -- >> thanks for having me. >> that was your old job. the former campaign manager. feels like the campaign is not over. t
CNN
Dec 3, 2012 2:00am PST
edges closer to going over the fiscal cliff. democrats and republicans cannot agree how to raise revenue and cut spending. on january 1st, as many of you know, taxes go up and doeep spending cuts take effect. the sunday talk shows reflect how far apart they are what we will not do is extend those tax cut force the wealthiest americans. there's no possibility that we will find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making a concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> speaker boehner added he is flabbergasted by the administration's proposals while secretary geithner said he believes a deal can be reached by the end of the year. >>> we could find out this morning if the supreme court will take up the issue of same-sex marriage. at 9:30 eastern, the court releases its orders list. there's a possibility justices will hear cases that challenge the federal defen
Current
Dec 5, 2012 6:00am PST
love "the washington post" headline. republicans losing blame game on fiscal cliff. neener. majority of americans say if the country goes over the cliff on december 31st, congressional republicans should bear the brunt of the blame. "washington post" pew poll -- >> pew pew. >> stephanie: latest time the g.o.p. faces a tireless task between now and the end of the year. 53% say the g.o.p. would and should lose the fiscal cliff blame game. 27% say the president. so there. [ ♪ nah nah nah nah nah ♪ ] >> stephanie: a tee and then a hee. donna says i got my tickets. steph, as your official vegetarian travel agent, i got meet and grope tickets. so did many of our stephanie and the mooks meet up group. >> i love that. >> stephanie: not that kind of meet. we're having a celebration dinner this sunday to celebrate getting meet and grope tickets to what -- >> it's a new year and time for a new inauguration. >> the president of the united states is once again barack obama. s. ♪ >> time for a new sexy li
FOX News
Dec 6, 2012 8:00am PST
to reporters about the looming fiscal cliff. both sides refusing to budge on the big issue of taxes. republican leaders in the house blaming president obama for the lack of action. they're calling on him to initiate face-to-face negotiations. did we say a deal has to be made in the next 25 days. house members are out of town for a long weekend break. fox business network's rich edson is live from washington. so are we seeing any movement in these talks at all, rich? >> some, jon. a house aide says president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke on the phone yesterday afternoon. that is their first conversation in a week and since republicans offered $800 billion in new tax revenue and more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts. aides refuse to say if the president and speaker are now closer to a deal. for both sides a little more campaigning. president obama heads to northern virginia this afternoon. the white house says he will meet with a middle class family to press congress to protect those making less than $250,000 a year from tax increases and raise rates on those making more. hou
Current
Dec 4, 2012 3:00am PST
it comes to taxes. as you all know by now house republicans sent in a fiscal cliff counter offer yesterday but the white house is calling it no good. i want to give you an idea of where the two sides stand right now. boehner's new plan would raise $2.2 trillion. now it would extend the bush tax cuts for everyone and yes that does include the top 2%. and it would instead raise $800 billion in revenue from so-called tax reform and that's what we mean when we talk about capping deductions and closing loopholes. the rest of the money comes from cuts to both mandatory and discretionary programs. now to recap again on the president's offer, he wants to raise $1.6 trillion, that's double boehner's amount on the rich an and he's asking for more than $200 billion in stimulus spending and promising about $400 billion worth of cuts to social programs. now obviously those two plans have very little in common. neither side is budging when it comes to their demands on taxes. but now here are a few problems with boehner's proposal.
FOX News
Dec 5, 2012 7:00pm PST
cliff, and he leaves very little room for republicans to negotiate with him with a 1.7 trillion dollar tax increase, 50 billion more in stimulus spending, and absolutely no expenditure reductions that are going to take place right now. i mean, from the point of view of republicans, you're going to get more spending decreases if you go over the fiscal cliff than if you deal with president obama. >> greta: well, it appears to many in the city that it's politico check mate for the president. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him by a commission he appointed and heted that formula and presented to the republicans a program which was basically
CNN
Dec 3, 2012 4:00am PST
heads back to work this morning as the clock is ticking down toward the impending fiscal cliff. talks, though, seem to be at a stalemate. yesterday with just 29 days until tax hikes and deep spending cuts kick in. both republicans and the democrats were running to the airwaves to try to explain their positions. here's what they said. >> what we're not going to do is extend those tax cuts with the wealthiest americans. those cost a trillion dollars over ten years and there's no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making the concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> the administration has presented a plan that calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenues. $400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlements. $50 billion for a new stimulus and congress would have to give up control over raising the debt limit. re
NBC
Dec 6, 2012 6:00am EST
as lawmakers try to reach a deal to avoid the so called fiscal cliff in january. treasury secretary tim geithner tells cnbc republicans have made a little progress, but the obama administration is "absolutely ready to go over the cliff if the gop doesn't agree to raise tax rates on wealthy americans." apple has lost a bit of its shine. the tech giant stock suffering its worst day in four years on thursday. several factors may have been at play. investors worried apple may be giving up ground in the tablet market to rivals, while nokia beat the company to the punch. there are also unconfirmed reports a stock clearinghouse firm is reducing the margin requirements on apple stock. apple lost $35 billion in market value yesterday. to put that into perspective, there are 417 companies listed on the s&p 500 index that have a market cap below $35 billion, so the jimmer fredet the majority of the s&p is valued at just below what apple lost yesterday. >>> a fairfax county woman will have to remove parts of her negative online review of a home contractor. the ruling was made yesterday. jane perez
CSPAN
Nov 29, 2012 10:00am EST
. going off the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy, it will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to avert the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes, to replace the sequester, and pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. we are the only one was a balanced plan to protect the economy, protect the american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reform, it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis and get our economy going again and create jobs. right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap, it needs leadership. it's time for the president and congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they are really willing to make. i'll take a few questions. it's been very clear over the last year and a half, i talked to the president about many of them. you can look at our budget. where we outline very specific proposals that we have in last year's budget and the budget from the year before. we know what the menu
CSPAN
Dec 3, 2012 8:00pm EST
that the republicans passed two bills that take care of the fiscal cliff. they extend of the tax cuts and a change the sequestration. the democrats hammer them on that each time. they are not going to give the democrats a chance to hammer them once again. host: our democrats putting deductions and loopholes and specifically on the table? guest: yes, the president has been very specific. he has said, first things first, let's let the high end tax cuts expire and lock in these trillion dollars savings. then he says on deductions, let's cap the major ones, the mortgage interest, the charitable, the state allen local -- and local. the banker's comments of getting 35% subsidy on the mortgage, he will get 20%. -- 28%. and then there are tax cuts in medicare, but they are reasonable. if you do not do these tax deductions and you do not do the high end incumbent bush tax cuts, it gets in devastated. the ryan budget was very back loaded. and it was not in the first 10 years. there are trade-offs. host: maverick writes in and said, i see a problem giving tax -- a problem with giving tax credits for hiring u
CSPAN
Dec 5, 2012 12:00pm EST
portion of the upcoming so-called fiscal cliff. so why isn't it already in law? why aren't middle-class families already able to feel confident in their taxes not going up? well, for one reason and one reason alone -- house republicans continue to hold the middle class hostage in a desperate and deeply misguided attempt to buck the will of the people, ignore the results of this election, and protect the wealthiest americans from paying their fair share. that's really all there is to it. mr. president, if republicans truly cared about keeping taxes low for the middle class, they can do it right now. the senate passed a bill that would extend the tax cuts for 98% of families and 97% of workers. president obama said he'd sign it intaw law. into law. he even showed us the been. all the house has to do is let it come up for a vote, pass it and middle-class families can go into these holidays with the certainty they deserve. mr. president, i want to be very clear about something because some of my republican colleagues seem intent on confusing the issue. republicans don't have to suppor
FOX
Dec 6, 2012 5:00am EST
there could be another round of negotiations, talk to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. for the first time in days, president barack obama and house speaker john boehner spoke by phone about the looming fiscal cliff. so far, no word on the details of the conversation but some republican leaders are now asking for a sit-down with the president. the two sides are at a stalemate over raising taxes on incomes over $250,000 a year. 2 >>> taking a look at some of our other top stories this morning. police in fairfax county continue to investigate a scary scene at robinson secondary school in fairfax after a loaded handgun was found inside a student's locker. they insist that proper disciplinary action will be taken and that the students were never in danger. >>> a fairfax county woman is being sued by the map she hired to do handy work at her home after he says she posted negative comments about him on the web sites yelp and angie's list. the woman claimed he did poor work and stole her jewelry to boot. the contractor says the allegations are false and now he is suing her for defamation claiming
NBC
Dec 6, 2012 6:00pm EST
to northern virginia. he sat down with tiffany santana and her family to put a face on the fiscal cliff. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem, gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: tef any had used twitter to tell the president her family can't afford a tax increase. and the white house released this video. >> $2,000 for me would be paying a month's rent. >> reporter: back in washington, more gridlock. >> it's up to the republicans to decide how long it's going to take. >> the president actually isn't interested in a balanced agreement. >> reporter: with both sides stuck on tax hikes for the top 2%, economists wonder if lawmakers will reach a deal this year. >> i'm skeptical, but i do think it can be done next year. >> reporter: warning a congressional committee they would just have a month to negotiate in 2013 before the economy falls apart. >> by mid-february it will be doing a lot of damage. >> reporter: democrats called on lawmakers to continue an extension to jo
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2012 3:00am PST
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ABC
Dec 4, 2012 7:00am PST
, for the latest on the fiscal cliff. just 28 days until everyone's taxes are set to go up. house republicans have now sent the white house their own plan for getting america's finances under control. but both sides still far apart. abc's jake tapper is covering this from the white house. jake, the white house downplayed this new offer but will it be enough to jump-start negotiations? >> reporter: i don't think so, george. the white house advisers describe the proposal that republicans offered yesterday, as a step backward in terms of negotiations. what the outlying house republican states is $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction. that includes 1.2 trillion in spending cuts. $800 billion in new revenue. optimistic projections. and $200 billion in other measures, such as adjusting the consumer price index. but house republicans say if the president doesn't like this, it's incumbent upon him to offer a plan that can make it through the house and the senate. >> the white house says they want to see the republicans first say that tax rates are going to go up. is there any prospect of a face-to-face meeti
FOX
Dec 6, 2012 6:00am EST
, president barack obama spoke on the phone with house speaker john boehner on avoiding the fiscal cliff. but boehner as facing a growing backlash among rank and file republicans. some say they will never support tax hikes but others are breaking with the leadership saying they will support the president's demand for an increase on rates on upper incomes. >>> new this morning, more support for a push to crack down on texting while driving in virginia. legislation is in the works that would classify texting behind the wheel as reckless driving. the virginia state crime commission has announced its support for the measure. it is not expected to be taken up until early next year. ext y >>> time now not morning line and everybody is talking about sunday's redskins-ravens game. redskins have lost the last two against baltimore. now, as far as the redskins injuries are concerned, london fletcher sat out of practice yesterday with an ankle injury and left tackle trent williams continues to nurse a deep thigh bruise. deangelo hall is in a boot but it is like lie all of them way play this weekend
CBS
Dec 1, 2012 5:00am PST
morning. unless congress comes to an agreement on the fiscal cliff it would mean a tax hike plus some $65 billion would be cut from the pentagon and other government agencies. both sides are hoping for a compromise. but so far all there's been is debate. >> i've been keeping my own naughty and nice list for washington. >> reporter: president obama took his fight to the public while visiting a toy company in pennsylvania where he warned republicans not to play scrooge. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable for you for a handful of republicans to hold middle class tax cuts held hostage. >> reporter: the white house proposal includes $4 trillion in deficit reduction, $400 billion in cuts to entitlement and $50 billion in infrastructure. john boehner said the proposal doesn't go far enough. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. >> reporter: congressman eric cantor agrees. >> that offer is not a serious offer. they are asking for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and nowhere near that number in spending reform. >> reporter: house minority
Current
Dec 6, 2012 3:00am PST
the fiscal cliff. ruth says i've said for a long time republicans are so far to the right they're falling off the edge. i didn't realize it was a cliff they were up against. mark says i have my seat belt on and i'm ready to go over the cliff. no deal is better than a b.s. deal. and skip says the g.o.p. is on their way to wiping out the remainder of the middle class ending social security medicare and medicaid and home mortgage deductions. >> bill: so, michael, we hear that more and more from democrats that better to go over the cliff better no deal than a bad deal. do you agree? >> yeah, i do agree. it depends on how bad the deal is but there is a spectrum. >> bill: if the deal includes extending the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans for another two years. >> no. that's not a deal worth making. that's just not a deal worth making. the fact of the matter is we're at a tough spot. we're caught between a rock and a hard place. we don't want to go over the cliff. if we can avoid it, the congress
MSNBC
Nov 30, 2012 3:00am PST
over the fiscal cliff, this benefits him. the public will blame the republicans. okay. i suppose it's entirely possible. in fact, it's probable of that category. but does obama really want to start the second term going into recession again? the interesting thing, with this offer on the table, sequestration and the expiration of bush tax cuts for everyone is the best option for republicans right now. but as least under that, you can dispel this notion -- the biggest obstacle is this attitude of the public that we can solve the problem of the debt, we can solve the problem of entitlements just by raising taxes on the rich a little bit. it's fundamentally not true. but my attitude to say all right, fine, let's go with that. let's even go with tax increases for everybody. even that bottom bracket going up from 10% to 15%. let the bush tax cuts -- if they must expire, let them expire for everybody. and then we'll see how far tax increases can take us in dealing with these problems. and the answer is not that far at all. >> not that far at all. richard wolffe, you've been sitting here pa
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 2:00am PST
, use the tools to sign up people for the can kicks back campaign to avoid the fiscal cliff and cut the national debt. the 81-year-old simpson went "gangnam style" to make his point. ♪ >> i have a bum knee. horse, horse. ride the horse. >> senator, thank you for that. and that's your morning dish of "scrambled politics." and now for a look at your national weather, let's turn to bill karins. he has your weather channel forecast. >> the best part is the underwater robot for a place that doesn't have water. >> maybe it's a pool. >> yes. >> and they need to inspect it. >> counter-terrorism measures in the backyard. you never know. good morning, everyone. getting out the door this morning, it's very cold up in new england. tell you what, the lack of snow is really becoming a slightly alarming especially if you have any interest in snowy weather recreation or skiing or ice skating or maybe you like to go snowmobiling. the northern half of the country is sparse. 7% of the country has snow cover. most of that is the high elevations in the rockies and northern rockies. it's about as low a
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2012 11:00am PST
since the election and the fiscal cliff face off. he reiterated that lying in the sand is higher taxes for the wealthy. he gave republicans some room to maneuver. >> the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlemented ientitlements i'm prepared to make, we have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not getting a deal without it. understand the reason for that. it's not me being stubborn or partisan, it's a matter of math. >> and the gop plan, which was unveiled yesterday, includes $800 bill onin new taxes made through closing loopholes and deductions and not raising rates. compare that to the president's plan and that's about half of what the white house asked for. republicans propose 600 billion in entitlement saving including raising the medicare requirement to 67, nearly twice what the white house called for. the gop plan changes how social security benefits are calculated, something addressed under the president'
FOX
Dec 3, 2012 7:00am PST
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CNN
Dec 6, 2012 4:00am PST
, president obama and john byron finally discussing the fiscal cliff. they talked by telephone yesterday. with just 26 days remaining to get a deal done, there are signs of compromise on the republican side. oklahoma's republican senator tom coburn a leading conservative saying he is okay with raising taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. in a few moments, soledad o'brien will talk with oregon senator is jeff merkley. he sits on the budget committee. >>> naeem davis now charged with murder for allegedly pushing a man off a new york city subway platform. davis was arraigned last night on a second-degree murder charge. police say he pushed 50-year-old ki-suk han on to the tracks and into the path of an oncoming subway train. >>> internet security pioneer john mcafee could be deported to belize as early as today. guatemalan officials detained mcafee yesterday. they accuse him of entering their country illegally. he turned up in guatemala on tuesday after disappearing from his home in belize. police there want to question mcafee in connection with a murder, his neighbor's murder. he says
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